Monday, February 22, 2010

True Islam?

"So what the heck is true Islam? If you listen to the CAIR talking heads on TV, it's that feel-good religion of smiling people and little children holding hands in a field of flowers. ... First of all, you'd buy some of the books, and I don't mean Islam for Dummies. Whatever you do, don't listen the line that in order to understand Islam, you have to be able to read Arabic. This is balderdash, because 80% of the world's Muslims don't read Arabic, and many of those are well-educated in their religions. In fact, English is now the most-used language for disseminating the Islamic faith. ... But before you can argue about Islamic law with success, you need to understand the ''doctrine of abrogation', which is a principle that is considered authoritative under Islamic law. Once you've got that down, it's simple to makle coherent argumates about what true Islam consists of. ... If the Koran, the authoritative hadith, and the four schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree, then you can take it to the bank: that's Islam. ... The truth of Islam can be found in the point of the knife at the infidel's throat. All the rest can be jettisoned", Baron Bodissey at Gates of Vienna, 12 January 2010, link:

As it is written, "By their fruits you will know them". How many Christians can read the Bible in Greek? The notion that only Arabic readers can know the Koran is absurd.


Anonymous said...

"..."By their fruits you will know them"..."

Ubu said...

When I'm feeling adversarial, I put my magnetic "Islam is a Death Cult" bumper sticker on the back of the car, fire up a cigar, turn up a good Charlie Parker CD, keep the 45 at arms reach, and drive through the crowded rush hour traffic here in San Jose. The Hindus think I am a cultural hero, the many Mohammedans, however, think I am something else entirely. I recommend the experience, however, it feels good to say what I mean.

Anonymous said...

Thomas Carlyle in 'Heroes and Hero Worship and the Heroic in History,' 1840

"The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only."

"A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world, the world�s Maker had ordered so."

Edward Gibbon and Simon Oakley in �History of the Saracen Empire,� London, 1870

"The greatest success of Mohammad�s life was effected by sheer moral force."

Mahatma Gandhi, statement published in 'Young India,'1924.

I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind.... I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the second volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of that great life.

Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.

"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."

�I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity."

"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.�

Michael Hart in 'The 100, A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons In History,' New York, 1978.

My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world�s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the secular and religious level. ...It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity. ...It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history.

Famous American Priest embraced islam to Worship Allah

Independent Accountant said...

I knew of The Prophet's (PBUH) place in Hart's book. The Prophet (PBUH) said, "Deception is the essence of warfare". If you like Carlyle, read the Unqualified Reservations blog. I link to it. Mencius Moldbug is a big Carlyle fan.


Ubu said...

Gandhi was an intellectual waterfly whose idiotic ideas cost the lives of millions of his countrymen; if he had tried pacifism with Islam, they'd have butchered Hindus in the streets. And very few men of his time said as many foolish and asinine things as GB Shaw; did he speak favorably of Islam right after he finished blabbering on about how much he admired Stalin? I'll ignore Carlyle, and leave the great Edward Gibbon alone; somehow I doubt Gibbon was as uncritical of Islam as your snippet would suggest.

The rest sounds clipped from some talking points dished out at organic farmers markets by Muslim apologists (read: Hamas financiers) to deceive the credulous dhimmi. As a western materialist and humanist, I find Islam alternately risible and contemptible; it offers nothing for the man who isn't inclined to grovel on the ground with his ass in the air, awaiting Allah's divine sodomization. Islam is for sadists, child rapists, morons, and mindless chanters; I'd last about ten minutes in a Muslim country, but thankfully, I won't make that error. Here, basking in the legacy of Greece, Rome, Venice, and England, I can read what I want, think what I want, write what I want, and say openly that Islam is a pestilence to a free mind.

I'll bet that a medium-sized western nation, say Spain, has translated more books from around the world into Spanish last year, than the whole Muslim world translated into Arabic in the past decade.

Independent Accountant said...

I agree, Gandhi was a fool. Few Westerners know anything about the history of Islam in India, or what happened in 1947-49 when the "great migration" occured. You might read my 20 February 2009 post: Islam has contributed virtually nothing to the world since about 1285. That's the bottom line.
Winston Churchill called Islam "The most retrograde force in the world" in his 1899 book, "The River War".


Ubu said...

I've read "The River War," and Churchill was right about Islam; it is a disaster to free men. Men who are inclined to a slave mentality will feel right at home, however.

I should mitigate GB Shaw somewhat. Shaw was a great playright, but like so many great artists, was in equal measure a great idiot when it came to politics; Harold Pinter is a contemporary example.

We agree, Gandhi was a fraud; if you get millions of people killed because of stubborness and will ful stupidity it doesn't mean that you're off the hook for it. Typical Kantian sticks to abstract priciple even when it's making a mess.

Anonymous said...

My dear Ubu

How do you know Churchill was right?

Why Europeans and Americans are leaving Christianity and embracing Islam not ordinary followers but the Priests and Pastors?

Q5: 82-83 "And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud. When they listen to that which hath been revealed unto the messenger, thou seest their eyes overflow with tears because of their recognition of the Truth. They say: Our Lord, we believe. Inscribe us as among the witnesses"